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(05-15-2015 03:45 PM)Rosangela Wrote:  Great videos in this post, Mary. Thank you! I have a few questions, though.

You (and Emily Bates, on Suggestion, page 160 of your e-book) say that we must always turn our head in the direction we look. I suppose that applies also for when we are shifting from one part of a long fence to another part, or from one tree to another; or on long distant shifting and swing. That makes sense. I got this part. My question is about small shifting, like when we are shifting from one side to another of a letter, 10-pt, for example.

a) The distance from one side to the other of the letter is so short to allow movement of the head, isn't it? Can't we just move the eyes, in this case?

b) When, with closed eyes, we shift our focal point in our imagination from up, to the right side, then down, left side, and up again, and repeat - do we need to move the head as well?

c) When we are using the Astigmatism Wheel you say in your video to not tilt the head, and that makes sense too. You say to keep the head straight as we test for astigmatism and check if there is an unclear line. But then I got confused: should we keep the head straight or move it along with the eyes? And is this just a "test" or it's already the practice for removing the astigmatism? (I apologize for my confusion)

d) And finally about the Wheel, the one you show is not much different of the Tibetan Wheel. I mean, the purpose is the same, it's just that the Tibetan Wheel has spikes and circles, but it has the same number of lines, same position and alignment, and the principle is the same: remove astigmatism. Isn't that? Would you explain to me further why you don't like the Tibetan Wheel?

I have seen a couple of videos of Leo Angart - he's Australian, are you familiar with his work? I like this one video where he teaches in a workshop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Q_xwEFECk

Leo seems to follow Bates, too, but he adds other methods like pranic healing. The way he teaches to use the Tibetan Wheel in this video seems okay. What do you think? However, by perusing his website (which is not so good) I found out that he uses the artificial 3-D, magic eye, and 3 cups that you you mentioned. I never used those, though. Thanks for alerting me! I also just read on your site about the harm those exercises can do to an already impaired eye. Now I just wonder... how is he and other teachers not aware of the risks in practicing these exercises?

Well... I usually follow my guts and what makes sense to me, and in reality, looking at those 3 cups, and the images to create fake 3D makes my eyes feel weird, like if there were all over the place at the same time. Just by taking a quick glance on at them - not "using" them as an exercise. So I can easily agree that they must strain the brain, confuse it, and mass up the eye focus even more!!

Thanks again, Mary.

Rosangela

Hey Rose,

I find that the head movement with tiny shifts is subtle. Note; when watching tv; does your head naturally move with every single shift? Mine doesn't always, but often does, usually small, subtle. I use a small tv. Just let this happen naturally. Note if you move across the screen the head moves. Shift on a small print letter and allow a tiny subtle loose head movement. It can be barely perceptible but its there. Don't get too wrapped up in that. It will come to you. I over emphasize it sometimes due to people that develop the habit of looking out the sides of their eyes or placing the object they want to see in the peripheral; this causes tension. Its a common incorrect habit people with cataract, macula degeneration develop; it increases the problem.

If you move the head so the face is in the direction you look; note relaxation occurs. And central-fixation is easy.

In another suggestion (or fundamental) Emily says to see the opposite swing without moving the head with the eyes. The opposite swing occurs due to eye movement. I note that Thomas Quackenbush omitted that sentence from his magazines. I agree. I have a longer debate, explanation on that in all our new books.

In the end; its best to move the head with the eyes, but let it be easy, natural. Don't over shoot the move; don't move the head-face beyond the eyes shift. The eyes and head just kinda float together.
Right now I am shifting on a small dot; my head is more like a loose floating movement. I don't try to move it; the brain just does it naturally.

I bet when you move the eyes doing the small shifts; your head is still doing a tiny, almost imperseptible movement. If you feel a pull, tension occur; let the head move. Blink. Imitate people with clear, perfect vision, relaxation. I prefer the head movement. I truly believe its the right way. It keeps my neck, head-face, eyes nice and loose. Even if the movement is so little its not noticed by others.

I swing my imaginary period with eyes closed; and the head does do a little left and right swing with the eyes. Feels good!

Astigmatism wheel; move the head along with the eyes. Just don't twist, tilt the head-neck. You can move it up, down, left, right, diagonal with the eyes tracing or shifting. If it gets tight; move the body along with the head, eyes.

Its a test and practice to remove astigmatism at same time.

Leo, Meir Schneider and others don't seem to care. A lot of teachers sell whatever looks mysterious, will attract people to buy. If you note in Meirs book; he teaches palming wrong. A hands position that tenses the head, neck, shoulders. If you cross the hands on the forehead, as it should be, as Dr. Bates taught; it relaxes all those areas. Meir is supposed to be a movement, massage... expert; but a lot he teaches is wrong. My neighbor down the street, a rare true masseuse can loosen up my back for $30.00! And lasts for years. Taught me home application.

Some of those teachers provide good things but I left them behind because of all the bad stuff they teach. I note in Leo's video he is moving his finger up, down, angles and only his eyes are moving. This is wrong. Its not normal shifting. The head should be moving with the eyes. Watch people in a audience watching a movie or sport; they don't just move the eyes.

Recently a person sought help after following one of these unnatural teacher's similar incorrect eye movements without the head; the unnatural teacher had him stretching the eyes hard left, right... while keeping the head forward. The poor guy ended up with a big blue vein in his eyelid, pain, red eyes, sandy feeling, lights in the side of his eyes and a sprained eye muscle which resulted in astigmatism. He was talked into glasses. The condition worsened. He finally went to a different eye doctor and the doctor found a sprained vitreous (the clear gel in the eye); it detached a bit from the retina. Its healing now, hes stopped wearing glasses and doc says he will be ok. But would this had happened if he was not doing the eye stretches?

Some of the Tibetan wheel is ok. I like the many patterns in some charts; gets the eyes shifting. But don't limit shifting. Let the eyes move where the mind is finding interest. Automatically. That's why I prefer people to make their own charts; and out of real material; flowers, leaves, stones... It has depth, dimension.

Just read Dr. Bates books and my directions PDF I gave you in the past; http://cleareyesight-batesmethod.info/id110.html Most people hate it because its so long and it does need condensing, combining.
But it lists the unnatural methods to avoid, so students are protected. I have met a few people that got double vision, strabismus from those artificial 3-D. Including myself. It also made my eye injury from the neck injury worse. Took a while to correct it but Bates Method worked.
Even the Goodrichs teach the Artificial 3-D; I don't like that, it is one thing I post on my website and in book about them to avoid. They have so much that really is good, so they are one of the very few I allow to stay in my recommendations, but I have to put that warning.

I prefer Janet Goodrich's astigmatism wheel with the pictures on it to shift on. You can make your own; paste a lot of detailed pictures on all the lines and shift on them. Or make a wire or string astigmatism chart and put real objects on it in your garden. I have a picture of one in the pdfs. The big one with rainbow on cover.

Still have not done fine print video. So busy and burnt out. Might have to leave it til summer so I can put the old and new and yours all in one. Otherwise I am scattering, rushing and wont be the best. It will get done.

Mary